I personally think they work, but the advertsing on them is dumb. THey advertise the product like its ok for Joe Blow to take and doesnt even know what it does or how it works. Much less doesnt run Nolvadex and liver support with it either.
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people can sell whatever they want...
I have no pity for those who purchase things that impact their health and wellbeing this much without doing research first.
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Buyer Beware. People can buy whatever they want, If they buy a supplement and have no idea what its effects are, then to bad for them.. I mean do a Little research, but I know people don't. I research as much as possible everything I put in my body, that is just me, I know most people don't. SO if they hurt themselves, its sad a thing to say, but too bad..
As what I think of them, Hey they work, I mean I read alot of logs and had friends that either are taken them now, or took them. THey had great results. As for myself, I never tried any PH's. I also think if the person uses it in a moderate dose, and does Proper PCT, is fine with me. In the end its there choice. SO that is my 3 cents on that..If you have to cheat to win, why bothering playing..
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I've run a few cycles and will continue to do so (have a ergoMAX/Proztanazol cutter coming up). As long as you are safe about your cycle you should be fine. Do as much research as you possible can (anabolicminds.com is a great place for this) Support supps, PCT are a must. Monitor your BP daily. Generally you don't stay on cycle for more than 4 weeks. You should take a min. of 3 months off after PCT before your next cycle. Bloodwork is also good pre and post cycle (although I haven't been doing this, but will start).
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Originally posted by SonnyTheBullI've run a few cycles and will continue to do so (have a ergoMAX/Proztanazol cutter coming up). As long as you are safe about your cycle you should be fine. Do as much research as you possible can (anabolicminds.com is a great place for this) Support supps, PCT are a must. Monitor your BP daily. Generally you don't stay on cycle for more than 4 weeks. You should take a min. of 3 months off after PCT before your next cycle. Bloodwork is also good pre and post cycle (although I haven't been doing this, but will start).
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The last cycle I did was a PheraPlex/Prostanazol cycle. This is my favorite thus far. Only real sides were some acne on my back. I've also done a superdrol cycle, and 2 cycles of MaxLMG/prostanazol. I highly recommend going to anabolicminds.com to review phera-plex cycle logs. There is alot of valueble info over there.
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My thoughts on PHs
1. basically they are steroids but are legal due to a loop hole . . . however, they are not the "safest" or most effective steroids
2. They can give good results but they come with a price as a lot of the more effective ones have increased side effects.
3. You can increase the safety of a PH cycle by front loading cycle support and continuing it through and post cycle. (not to be confused w/ this makes a cycle totally safe, this helps decrease risk - even with this you still risk serious side effects especially related to blood pressure, cholesterol, liver etc)
4. A well planned out PCT is essential
5. Joe Blow does not know point 1, 2, 3, or 4
6. If someone knows what they are doing then they can do a cycle relatively safely and look to maintain a large portion of their gains.
7. PHs are not meant for those under 21 and probably should be avoided until in your mid twenties.
I would prefer to see someone hit their natural plateau before utilizing such means but that is just my opinion . . . to each their ownDisclaimer: While I have an M.D. the views I express are not to be taken as medical advice under any circumstances. Please check with your own doctor if you want medical advice as he/she has access to your info and can provide the most accurate advice.
www.pubmed.gov . . . gotta love it
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Great post!!
Originally posted by Dr.Dave1My thoughts on PHs
1. basically they are steroids but are legal due to a loop hole . . . however, they are not the "safest" or most effective steroids
2. They can give good results but they come with a price as a lot of the more effective ones have increased side effects.
3. You can increase the safety of a PH cycle by front loading cycle support and continuing it through and post cycle. (not to be confused w/ this makes a cycle totally safe, this helps decrease risk - even with this you still risk serious side effects especially related to blood pressure, cholesterol, liver etc)
4. A well planned out PCT is essential
5. Joe Blow does not know point 1, 2, 3, or 4
6. If someone knows what they are doing then they can do a cycle relatively safely and look to maintain a large portion of their gains.
7. PHs are not meant for those under 21 and probably should be avoided until in your mid twenties.
I would prefer to see someone hit their natural plateau before utilizing such means but that is just my opinion . . . to each their own
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Glad to see some intelligent discussion on this subject. I thought it may be too taboo to start a thread, but I'm delighted to see one of this caliber so far!
I thought it wouldn't hurt so much to do a cycle once a year. Of course I'll wait a few years, research until my brain hurts and read as many logs as possible. It's just like trying out any supplement in my mind, but the risk is far greater. To me it's forbidden fruit and I know that I should stay away from it until I know the time is right.
As for the intelligent individuals who've done a cycle or two and kept amazing gains, kudos. I just hope you haven't done any significant damage to your bodies. PCTs before, during and after are imparative in my opinion. Just like Dave had mentioned.. I wouldn't compromise my health for some slacking off and not investing time/money into proper support
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i agree with Mr. Aries; people who are lookin for a quick fix and use phs then try to sue someone in my opinion is ridiculous. I think as long the person is old enough and educated enought that they are fine. Unfortunately its the people that go and abuse them and hurt themselves that ruin it for everyone, and the media doesnt help either."Man you keep eatin' those, youre gonna turn INTO a chicken."
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Originally posted by threeii agree with Mr. Aries; people who are lookin for a quick fix and use phs then try to sue someone in my opinion is ridiculous. I think as long the person is old enough and educated enought that they are fine. Unfortunately its the people that go and abuse them and hurt themselves that ruin it for everyone, and the media doesnt help either.
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i believe usage should always be compared to reason...
for example, if you are using this shit to impress some chick on the beach, forget it..
if your job depends on the performance and function of your body and it means getting picked versus not being picked at all, then good luck and be careful..
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