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Definitely the way to go. But on that note, you sure using Cytogainer is the best idea for lean gains? I think you'd be better off replacing those calories with other nutrient sources.
Yeah, I only use the Cytogainer post workout and in the AM...and I only use about 2 scoops of it (40g carbs) for the extra cals too. Its a cheap & easy addition to my shakes.
What do you recommend instead?
Last edited by RenegadeRows; 10-31-2006, 01:17 PM.
My primary gripe with gainers like Cytogainer is that they use maltodextrin as their primary carb source. I'm not a big fan of malto at all, especially if you're taking it any time other than post-workout. At the very least I'd drop it from the morning. IMHO, ideally all your carbs should be coming from oats, brown rice, yams, etc along with plenty of veggies in your meals. Maltodextrin + dextrose works great for some post-workout but like I said, I'm not a fan personally (and I used dextrose + malto for 2.5 years or so so it's simply the way I respond to it that makes me not like it).
Post-workout would be the only time I'd be ok with spiking insulin, otherwise I prefer to keep insulin levels fairly moderate with low-GI carbs + veggies. Plus there's nothing I enjoy more than a nice big warm bowl of oatmeal and whey. No joke, I'd totally use it as 90% of my diet if I could.
My primary gripe with gainers like Cytogainer is that they use maltodextrin as their primary carb source. I'm not a big fan of malto at all, especially if you're taking it any time other than post-workout. At the very least I'd drop it from the morning. IMHO, ideally all your carbs should be coming from oats, brown rice, yams, etc along with plenty of veggies in your meals. Maltodextrin + dextrose works great for some post-workout but like I said, I'm not a fan personally (and I used dextrose + malto for 2.5 years or so so it's simply the way I respond to it that makes me not like it).
Post-workout would be the only time I'd be ok with spiking insulin, otherwise I prefer to keep insulin levels fairly moderate with low-GI carbs + veggies. Plus there's nothing I enjoy more than a nice big warm bowl of oatmeal and whey. No joke, I'd totally use it as 90% of my diet if I could.
^^^^^Bump on the oats and yams
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I FULLY ENDORSE GREEN MAGNITUDE
If it has liquid in it I probably slipped some Green Mag in it.
Measurements/Info
BF: n/a
Weight: 163lbs
Approx. 200g protein
Approx. 2g water
Supplementation
1/2 scoop GM + 2/3 scoop Pre workout
6 caps Powerfull
Syntha-6 Protein + Cytogainer twice a day
Multi vitamin / 2 caps Green Tea / 2 caps Fish Oil with Dinner
Thoughts
I wasn't into my workout today. BLAH! Forgot to take my GG, and my powerfull pre-workout. Had a bad day, as far as work and family issues. My mind wasn't into it. Oh well, I'm glad I got around to doing something. I can't wait until we get more people at my work. We are very understaffed and the hours I'm working are burning me out and cutting into my bodybuilding.
Quote of the Day
Energy and persistence conquer all things.
Benjamin Franklin
Measurements/Info
BF: n/a
Weight: 163lbs
Approx. 200g protein
Approx. 2g water
Supplementation
1/2 scoop GM + 2/3 scoop
6 caps Powerfull
Syntha-6 Protein + Cytogainer twice a day
Multi vitamin / 2 caps Green Tea / 2 caps Fish Oil with Dinner
Workout
REST
Thoughts
No thoughts, I felt like I was a zombie all day !
Measurements/Info
BF: n/a
Weight: 164lbs
Approx. 200g protein
Approx. 2g water
Supplementation
1/2 scoop GM + 2/3 scoop + 1 scoop GG
6 caps Symmetry-X
6 caps Powerfull
Syntha-6 Protein + Cytogainer twice a day
Multi vitamin / 2 caps Green Tea / 2 caps Fish Oil with Dinner
Workout
2x10 Bench Press Warmups
5x8 CloseGrip BP
5x8 DB Flyes
5x8 Weighted Dips
Thoughts
So I skipped regular bench today, per getting my max up. I also cut the volume in half, partly due to the fact this week has been very hectic and tiring at work, and partly due to the fact that I'm 'deloading' in volume; cutting it down for this week to give my body a rest. The main key is listening to your body and knowing when to take it easy (depsite every attempt by your ego not to!)
I also started Symmetry-X @ 6 caps a day which I plan on bumping up to 9 caps per day next week. Felt alot of good pumps and recovery from Powerfull, and it's only going to get better adding the S-X.
Thoughts
Decent workout. Given the time alotted, I hit it hard. My legs and back were on fire at the end. Powerfull + Symmetry seem to be giving me good strength, however, I"m prone to gyno and think it could be aggrivating it. I'll be monitoring closely.
All the Controlled Labs supplements are working fine with no side effects whatsoever and great responses happening. CL is truly my weapon of choice.
Quote of the Day
Take hope from the heart of man, and you make him a beast of prey.
Quida
Measurements/Info
BF: n/a
Weight: 163lbs
Approx. 200g protein
Approx. 2g water
Supplementation
1/2 scoop GM + 2/3 scoop
6 caps Symmetry-X
6 caps Powerfull
Syntha-6 Protein + Cytogainer twice a day
Multi vitamin / 2 caps Green Tea / 2 caps Fish Oil with Dinner
Workout
Rest
Thoughts
I've officially stopped using the PFULL and Symmetry. I am prone to Gyno, and was seeing a minor flare up with high dose of those supplements.
The good news is, they work! It indicates a fluctuation in hormone levels when gyno gets aggrivated.
The bad news is, no more of that for Renegade! If anybody wants to buy an unopened bottle of Powerfull, and possibly Symmetry-X for cheap, please shoot me a PM.
Ordered some more protein powder - Syntrax's Matrix 5.0 Orange Cream. Sounds delish and is affordable. I also plan on ordering Black Hole, and White Blood (strictly before bed). It should turn into an interesting log!!!
yikes! nice log....ive been following....how long are you planning to keep this cycle? and how do you think GG and PW are working for you?
Thanks for stopping in!
I'll continue with this log/cycle until my fingers fall off, I go blind, my electricity gets shut off or Tank kicks me out.
The GG and PW are working very well. The PW+GG are giving me great results as far as workout endurance, vascularity and body composition go. I've definately noticed them working quite well, especially the GG. GM is awesome*** when it comes to strength increases.
Overall, the stack is working very well. I can't wait until I'm not working like 60 hours a week so I have time to do longer, more detailed workouts and logging.
I'll continue with this log/cycle until my fingers fall off, I go blind, my electricity gets shut off or Tank kicks me out.
The GG and PW are working very well. The PW+GG are giving me great results as far as workout endurance, vascularity and body composition go. I've definately noticed them working quite well, especially the GG. GM is awesome*** when it comes to strength increases.
Overall, the stack is working very well. I can't wait until I'm not working like 60 hours a week so I have time to do longer, more detailed workouts and logging.
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