Originally posted by deserusan
1) you can believe we are a crap company, that is your opinion, but you were loving green bulge and white blood not too long ago.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...68&postcount=7
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...67&postcount=8
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...98&postcount=5 (my favorite)
2) "multiple users using our accounts", how big do you think we are? we are a small company. any mod is free to see that we do not have multiple users on our accounts. PU works different shifts, just like you, and sometimes posts for a long stretch of time (even if we, which we dont, or any other company did, why is this bad? as long as we/they are answering questions fully and correctly) I know, because its drama and it makes your post sound so juicy.
3) If pu is the owner then he is running a charitable organization because he makes next to nothing from CL (no offense PU ) not even enough to support himself in a third world country. (and don’t ask what he earns because it really is none of your business, I don’t ask how much you earn)
4) "PU is a shill" how is he a shill if he has affiliation announced? umm yeah.
5) "guerilla marketing", umm any company by being on a message board is guerilla marketing, see joel's sig for the definition. I know how "marketing" is such a dirty 9 letter word, but it means making people aware of your products, so without it no company would have a sale or an existence anywhere.
6) how do we know you are not a shill? your not? well then prove it. see anyone can make wild accusations and then not back them up, doesn’t feel so good to be accused does it (personally I don’t think you are a shill, but it was fun to say wasn’t it )
7) "exposed for being frauds" how are we frauds? what did we lie about?
8) "negging you" if that is what you are so angry about you need to move on, because that is so not a big deal. you negged me, joel negged me, do you see me crying about it everywhere.
9) I haven’t Pmed one person telling them not to buy any brand or product ever or that you are affiliated with anyone, and from what I know neither has one of my team.
10) "no one in the industry likes them" did you take a poll? or did you ask two other companies that are our competitors on the message board who have publicly displayed that they don’t like us? its a fact, in business your competitors aren’t going to like you, even if they sugar coat their exterior and put on a fake smile. I don’t hate any competitors but that doesn’t mean I want to grab their balls either on the boards all day.
11) the only service you have given the boards is tons of O/T posts that clutter everything up and make the board a less friendly less enjoyably place to be. I for one have noticed that there are fewer posts everyday because news are afraid to ask questions for fear of being maligned by guys like you.
Originally posted by deserusan
1) I like how you edited out about calling PU a "meth head", but anyway he does not have 15k-20k posts in less than a year, which shouldn’t matter anyway, but its a lie, and any mod can give you a count. many other reps have more posts per day, pU has been here for more than 3 years so his count is less per year than some of the newer reps. First I do not think he has ever posted 24 hours straight, anyway if you were able to watch it then why couldn’t he post it in the same time period? so someone can watch a message board (yourself) for 24 hours, but someone cant post for 24 hours?) did he post every minute or did he come back and post a few times every hour, give us more details.
2) First, PU does not only cut and paste. and even if he did as long as it answers the question then what is the problem? do you expect him to come up with 40 different answers for the same question?
what question did I not answer about formulations? I explained that arginine is essential in children and those who are in need such as those who lift. People who lift have extra requirements and we believe arginine is one of them, thus making it essential for THEM. I don’t see you questioning another company as to why they have completely non-essential aminos in their product or another company who has arginine in their EAA formula.
3) we have to pm a mod because of all of this off topic drama that likes to be brought up about us. if half of this stuff was brought up about other companies they would do the same. Its not fun having your name dragged through the mud by someone with an old grudge with PU. Most of the threads that are deleted are not deleted because we ask they were deleted by you as a mod mentioned in a thread. (and when they are deleted everyone thinks that it is us, nice trick) "only forum that we have customers on" really? you know how much of our sales come from other places? our accountant must have showed you the books? anyway bb.com is not even close to making up most of our sales. They are a good sized customer but we have larger one domestically and internationally. (not trying to brag, but just pointing out the posters complete lack of grasp with reality)
4) Ok, we do not condone the photo chopping and PU apologized for that, you even admitted it wasn’t a big deal and only got mad because of who did it. you need to learn to move past that. the phone number incident was my fault and I apologized, but sometimes its hard to keep on ingoting all of this garbage and I don’t have the time to sit here everyday and try to defend ourselves against such rubbish. (also just to remind everyone, not that its an excuse, but only 4 of the 7 numbers in the hone number were listed and its something that anyone could fine published in a phone book as another member pointed out) so now you are faulting us for apologizing? wow you really cant win with you can you.
5) this is a complete and utter lie and I am offended. We specifically tell every poster who pops up asking a questions, by post, PM, e-mail, phone call, etc. that if they are under 18 they should NOT use any of our products. I don’t see other companies even doing this, they say to ask their parents first (which is their own right, not bashing anyone here) also, the street team hasn’t even been created yet, we are just talking about it and when it is created it will be offline, no online contact, if you read the whole thread at our board yo would see that instead of just trying to accuse good members here of being on the street team, LOL. what members have we bough or forced to join our boards? most of them are loyal customers who were tired of being maligned by guys like you for liking our products, which they had good results from.
6) we choose to spend our marketing budget with magazines instead of shows, why is this so hard to comprehend. maybe 25% of the companies that are sold on bb.com go to shows. we believe they aren’t a good value for our dollars spent at this time, we can reach more people through magazine ads. PU has a full time job, he doesn’t always have time to fly out to shows even if we were going to some, which we don’t plan to anytime soon. PU's pictures do match up and they have always read the same thing but you like to tell people that he changed the weight in one picture when we get larger maybe we will reexamine shows but for now we aren’t planning on them. Mr aries wanted to go to the Miami show and kept nagging me so I caved in and let him go. we never told anybody to avoid certain supplement lines at all, never once, please post up proof. you seem to love making accusations but not showing us that they are true.
7) we used signatures with our products in them, big whoopee, why is this so bad? we can have a link to a page that says the same thing but not the list of products themselves (not questioning the mods, just questioning why this made his list as one of our big sins and frauds)? now its a rule and we changed it, so why are you still complaining about it? we don’t invade every thread, other companies do and you don’t make manifestos like this about them, you actually like them so you look past it, hardly sound like you are doing the board a favor by doing that, I think you are doing yourself a favor.
I like how at the end you ask other people for proof, you shouldn’t write it unless you have the proof yourself first.
Anyway, I know this sounds like I am anti-deserusan, but I am not and think he has and still does contribute to the board very well, if he focused all of his time on that rather than trying to discredit us it would make bb.com an even better place. I am willing to forgive and forget, but I will not be wasting an hour of my time reading and replying to a post like this again.