5-htp and blue gene....

[Controlled Labs]

yeah, I remember a thread about that awhile ago..

The nutrition specialist seminar I went to over the weekend raised alot of doubts in my mind... which is good, cos must people blindly go through life not even considering anything IMO.

I was very shocked to learn that egg companies can write free roaming and apparantly only provide chickens with as little as 5 minutes of uncaged time everyday.. plus alot of other random quirks about the food industry that somewhat parallels that shadiness of the supplement industry! Makes me have an even larger desire to get a job, live in the country, and my own yard farm with some chickens even!!

farmer jdiritto

[jiritt0]

yeah, I remember a thread about that awhile ago..

The nutrition specialist seminar I went to over the weekend raised alot of doubts in my mind... which is good, cos must people blindly go through life not even considering anything IMO.

I was very shocked to learn that egg companies can write free roaming and apparantly only provide chickens with as little as 5 minutes of uncaged time everyday.. plus alot of other random quirks about the food industry that somewhat parallels that shadiness of the supplement industry! Makes me have an even larger desire to get a job, live in the country, and my own yard farm with some chickens even!!

[Controlled Labs]

amazing, this is why I controlled labs is basically the only company I cotninual use

as always, thanks for your continued support and loyalty. we are also one of the few companies to back up the statement via bb.com's new quality checked program, that actually verifies that you are gmp compliant via documentation from the manufacturer

[pu12en12g]

amazing, this is why I controlled labs is basically the only company I cotninual use

[jiritt0]

both the nnfa and nsf certify the facility as gmp compliant so what is on the label and in our formulas is actually in the product.

amazing, this is why I controlled labs is basically the only company I cotninual use

[Controlled Labs]

...to take this whole convo and a complete tangent...are the bottles and actual contents accurate? Have they ever been independtly tested? is the reason a true serving amount is rarely given/listed because there is no real idea how much is in any given bottle/serving?


It seems to be a big business in the supplement industry, to inaccurately label things since there is no regulations, and companies can basically get away with whatever they so choose...

yes, all of our products have always and continue to be manufactured in a facility that is not only GMP certified, but its GMP certified for sport (no illegal hormones or stimulants, etc made in the facility, so no cross contamination worries of that sort. both the nnfa and nsf certify the facility as gmp compliant so what is on the label and in our formulas is actually in the product.

I realize many other companies do not follow these strict rules and that is why they have larger profit margins than us, but that should all change this coming june, so the playing field will be leveled. our prices wont rise, but you will see all of the companies who dont use GMP facilities currently increases their prices due to their higher costs of production by that point.

[jiritt0]

part of the prop blend, so we cant disclose. however, its not a dusting, its a full dose.

...to take this whole convo and a complete tangent...are the bottles and actual contents accurate? Have they ever been independtly tested? is the reason a true serving amount is rarely given/listed because there is no real idea how much is in any given bottle/serving?


It seems to be a big business in the supplement industry, to inaccurately label things since there is no regulations, and companies can basically get away with whatever they so choose...

Example..

I could release a caffeine pill as a fat burner, filling capsules from bulk powder... than claim there is a wide array of fancy, special ingredients, possibly umberalled as the go to "properitary blend"... charge a boat load of money (which people will pay due to my half naked fitness model advertisements, marketing linguistics to lure idiots in, and what not) when in reality, all it is is some caffeine, which costs like 5$ for a bulk powder... creating an amazing net profit on my end


In addition, some companies even have trace amounts have pesticides and what not in their products from poor farming and manufacturing methods... not too mention the possibility of GH/other anabolics from mixed batches of multiple products at the same location (the GMP mark for controlled labs ensures this is not so)



...basically, do you/have you ever considered getting the USP or NSF marks?


I've said this before, but the more I learn from a scientific and professional standpoint, the more I become warry of the supplement business...

it is an annual mega-billion dollar business aimed at health and fitness, yet the country is getting fatter and fatter...something doesn't seem to line up (yes I understand the big picture, this is me being persuasive..)

the whole notion that's cause by the lack of regulation causes alot of distrust in my mind, as I know what business and money do to people's minds.. It makes no sense to me how the whole industry is completely unregulated (unless I consider the money behind the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA), than it makes perfectly logical sense (lots of $ from major supplement companies causes rich white guy with power to create rediculous/no-nonsense law allowing anything to be legal in terms supplements, until many famous death cases are reported, ie. ephedra).

I would truly like to see more regulation, not on the product possibilities so to speak, but more or less on the ingredient labeling and product contents.. so that when you purchase a product, hands down, 100%, you know that is what is in the bottle (nothing else, nothing more).

[95zj]

If you don't mind me asking, how did you find out you have low seratonin levels?

Part self-diagnosis and the other part being prescribed SSRI's for depression for years. Figured that instead of taking SSRI's and being more depressed because of all the side effects, I'd try 5-HTP out. Turns out I was taking too much and when combing the 5-HTP with the St. John's Wort I was taking at the time, I was putting my body in a very serious situation in which I could have died (read: serotonin syndrome).

[Controlled Labs]

Seems to me, just drop the pre-bed dose (save it for later). Unless it's for sleep / RLS or something...

agreed

[pu12en12g]

So if I supplement 5-HTP regardless (for my lack of seratonin), should I cease that if I'm going to be taking BG? Or should I just take one less dose throughout the day? Example would be taking BG in the morning before workout, and a 50mg dose of 5-HTP pre-bed.

Seems to me, just drop the pre-bed dose (save it for later). Unless it's for sleep / RLS or something...

[5six]

part of the prop blend, so we cant disclose. however, its not a dusting, its a full dose.

Good news

[rchapman]

So if I supplement 5-HTP regardless (for my lack of seratonin), should I cease that if I'm going to be taking BG? Or should I just take one less dose throughout the day? Example would be taking BG in the morning before workout, and a 50mg dose of 5-HTP pre-bed.

If you don't mind me asking, how did you find out you have low seratonin levels?

[95zj]

So if I supplement 5-HTP regardless (for my lack of seratonin), should I cease that if I'm going to be taking BG? Or should I just take one less dose throughout the day? Example would be taking BG in the morning before workout, and a 50mg dose of 5-HTP pre-bed.

[rchapman]

Thanks

[Controlled Labs]

part of the prop blend, so we cant disclose. however, its not a dusting, its a full dose.