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  • Weak at the top of my deadlift..help?

    So I tried a ME Deadlift today, did 485 got it about 4" off the floor but couldnt go any further, so than tried 465 and got it about halfway, finally was able to completely lock out 405, tried 425 but couldnt get it locked out by about 1".

    Now the problem is I dont have a rack so pin pulls are outta of the question, an other good workouts for the top of a dead?

  • #2
    Do you have some adjustable steps for aerobics or boxes around or even mats? Here is a great article that can be used to troubleshoot your problem areas and accessory exercises to fix them.

    http://www.elitefts.com/documents/su..._exercises.htm

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ddawg91
      Do you have some adjustable steps for aerobics or boxes around or even mats? Here is a great article that can be used to troubleshoot your problem areas and accessory exercises to fix them.

      http://www.elitefts.com/documents/su..._exercises.htm
      We have aerobic boxes, whats weird though is I have a really strong pull through like 150lbs well the max out machine will go. Maybe I need to start doing more RDL

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      • #4
        What style do you lift, sumo or regular?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ddawg91
          What style do you lift, sumo or regular?
          Regular, this was also raw Also what about reverse band pulls?
          Last edited by LancerV; 07-14-2006, 10:38 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by LancerV
            Regular, this was also raw Also what about reverse band pulls?
            Never done htem myself but I would believe any band work would help regular and reverse. Do you do good mornings also?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ddawg91
              Never done htem myself but I would believe any band work would help regular and reverse. Do you do good mornings also?
              No good morings form me, I can never keep my form worth a crap when doing them my back always moves left and right when doing them

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LancerV
                No good morings form me, I can never keep my form worth a crap when doing them my back always moves left and right when doing them
                Hmm interesting, even on lighter weights?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ddawg91
                  Hmm interesting, even on lighter weights?
                  Yep, think its due to my uneven back

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                  • #10
                    pull thru's

                    note on pull thrus be carefull and make sure you watch out for your boys. getting pinched by that cable or clasp is no fun

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by bis
                      pull thru's

                      note on pull thrus be carefull and make sure you watch out for your boys. getting pinched by that cable or clasp is no fun
                      Yea do them, did like 150 for 12 the other day

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                      • #12
                        Maybe try not lifting heavier than you can handle. Pulling upwards of 400lbs takes serious skill and strength.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Travis71902
                          Maybe try not lifting heavier than you can handle. Pulling upwards of 400lbs takes serious skill and strength.
                          I need to start doing pin pulls

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by LancerV
                            I need to start doing pin pulls
                            I do these regularly and rarely do from the floor, maybe once every 3-4 weeks if that.

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                            • #15
                              i dont know why you are deadlifting so heavy you cant even get one..

                              from my experience, the only thing maximum weight load does is risk injury and enhance the soreness (prolly since your form faulters under the stress load)...

                              I would do high rep sets for maximum muscle growth and overall stamina gains

                              I'm a strictler for form over weights.. you can lift alot but if your form is pathetic what is it for?!



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                              Last edited by jiritt0; 07-17-2006, 09:12 AM.

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