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pu12en12g
09-14-2006, 10:26 AM
What is Red Acid GEN 2™ ?


Red Acid GEN 2: Fat Incineration Matrix

http://www.controlledlabs.com/catalog/images/red_acid%20gen%202%20supp%20facts.jpg

Red Acid GEN 2™ is the most advanced fat incineration matrix available today... so effective you can actually feel it working !! This unique formula is designed to enhance your metabolism, control your appetite and cravings, and keep you focused and energized all day long. Even with proper diet and cardio, many individuals will eventually experience problems losing fat at an "optimal" rate. As time goes on, your metabolism downregulates due to "survival mode", working against what you want to accomplish. Now we have the solution: Red Acid GEN 2™. Unlike other fat loss products, Red Acid GEN 2™ helps you to achieve fat loss via several different pathways to overcome your metabolism for optimal fatloss results:

Key Attributes:

* Thermogenic fatloss you can FEEL
* Control Appetite and Cravings
* Long Lasting Energy
* Enhanced metabolism
* Ephedra Free / Ephedrine Free
* Body Fat Reduction via Lipolysis
* Help Activate PPAR-alpha
* Enhanced Blood Flow
* Insulin Regulation
* Yohimbe Free / Yohimbine Free
* Designed to stack VERY well with SesaGlow™ and Blue UP™ (Stim Free)

Red Acid GEN 2™ includes a special cacao extract, that serves as a peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor-alpha (PPAR-alpha) agonist and can help to modulate ghrelin levels, producing a hunger satisfaction and stimulating glycerol and fatty acid release from adipocytes throughout the body. To enhance this effect, we included herbal appetite suppressants that work via the brains central nervous system rather than the digestive tract to deliver a one-two punch to "knock out" hunger and cravings.

With cravings and appetite under complete control, we took Red Acid GEN 2™ to the next level with powerful naturally occuring energizers, nootropics, and thermogenics like isobutyryl-thiamine disulfide, theobromine, hordenine, evodiamine, and vinpocetine. Forskolin stimulates cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP) and a synergistic blend of cayenne extract and raspberry ketones releases norepinephrine, which in turn increases lipolysis and results in the reduction of fat storage. The potent cayenne extract aids in delivery and absorption. Working together, these powerful compounds work to increase your metabolism, activity level, and focus all day long making Red Acid GEN 2™ one of the most powerful and effective fatloss products on the market.

Let's face it, fatloss shouldn't be torture... with the Red Acid GEN 2™ formula, instead of constant hunger, low energy, and carb cravings, you can focus on cardio, the gym, and the other important things in your life !


Where can I purchase Red Acid GEN 2™ and how much will it cost ?


Internet retailers will have the best prices (around $25 to $30)

How many capsules per bottle ?


120

How many capsules per serving ?


2

How many servings per day ?


2

How many servings per bottle ?


60

So... how many days will each bottle last ?


30

Is Red Acid GEN 2™ for men or women ?


Both

What are some of the major differences between the original Red Acid™ and Red Acid GEN 2™ ?


One major difference is the removal of Tetradecylthioacetic Acid. Although it proved effective, the side effects weren't always worth it. We listened to our customers and took it out. We removed Guggulsterones due to consumer feedback as well.

Does Red Acid GEN 2™ replace proper diet and cardio ?


No

Will Red Acid GEN 2™ help raise my metabolism / basal metabolic rate ?


Yes

What it my basal metabolic rate ?


Your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is the energy used (measured in calories) by your body to perform basic functions, including internal energy expenditure, breathing, and body temperature. It is the number of calories your body would expend if you performed no physical activity throughout the day.

Simply put... your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is the rate at which your body burns calories while you rest. This is very important because we only have so much time for cardio each day.

BMR Calculator:
http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/


Simply put, what is Isobutyryl-thiamine disulfide ?


Isobutyryl-thiamine disulfide is a potent ergogenic that improves stamina, focus, and muscular performance during aerobic and anaerobic exercise.

Simply put, what are Raspberry Ketones ?


Raspberry ketone 4-(4-hydroxyphenyl)-2-butanone is a compound of red raspberry that has been shown to increase norepinephrine-induced lipolysis significantly enhancing fat metabolism and preventing fat storage. It may have additional benefits as well, so more research is needed on this exciting compound.

Simply put, what is Theobromine ?


Theobromine is a mild, long lasting stimulant and mood enhancer that may also improve oxygen utilization to boost performance.

Simply put, what is Hordenine ?


Hordenine is a potent alkaloid that acts in synergy with the other compounds to help us oxidize fat for energy, increase peripheral blood flow, and promote a feeling of fullness between meals.

Simply put, what is Evodiamine ?


Evodiamine is a unique naturally occuring thermogenic, and it also promotes a feeling of fullness

Simply put, what is Vinpocetine ?


Vinpocetine is a very potent nootropic, meaning that it helps enhance the performance of the brain. It may also help to boost performance during exercise by improving oxygen utilization.

Simply put, what is Bioperine ?


Bioperine is a patented ingredient that increases the bioavailability of many compounds, making Red Acid GEN 2™ very effective at a 2 pill dosage

Simply put, what is Forskolin ?


Forskolin helps enhance your metabolism by optimizing thyroid function and increasing cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP)

Simply put, what is EGCG ?


EGCG (Epigallocatechin Gallate) is a powerful antioxidant and mild thermogenic found in Green Tea

Simply put, what is Huperzine A ?


Used in China for centuries, Huperzine A is a naturally occurring alkaloid. It enhances focus and concentration, but more importantly it is synergistic with the rest of the Red Acid GEN 2™

Simply put, what is Salvia sclarea ?


Clary sage (Salvia sclarea) is known to promote energy / cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP) and has a uplifting effect on the mind.

Simply put, what is Cordia Salicifolia ?


Cordia Salicifolia is a popular tree in brazil and the fruit from the tree is commonly used for its appetite suppressant, anti-viral, and soothing properties. Based on anecdotal feedback, it is believed to help prevent or reduce fatty deposits / cellulite and promote healthy skin.

Simply put, what is Big Red™ cayenne fruit extract ?


The powerful thermogenic properties of Big Red™ cayenne fruit extract are due to capsaicin, and it may also improve circulation.

I'm on a low-carb / carb-cycling diet... is Red Acid GEN 2™ good for me ?


Red Acid GEN 2™ is a great option for you !

Where can I learn more about the "Fatloss Basics ?"


Fatloss Basics Part 1 (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=4476014&postcount=3)
Fatloss Basics Part 2 (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=4476023&postcount=4)
Fatloss Basics Part 3 (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=4476035&postcount=5)
Fatloss Basics Part 4 (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=4476040&postcount=6)


What "basic" supplements do you recommend while taking Red Acid GEN 2™ ?


Creatine (pre and post-workout) such as Green MAGnitude / Green BULGE
Whey Protein (pre and post-workout)
Fishoil
Multivitamin
PLENTY of water


Besides the "basic" supplements listed above, what "other" ergogenics, compounds, or supplements do you recommend to maximize my fatloss results while on Red Acid GEN 2™ ?


EAA /BCAA such as Purple WRAATH™ (during cardio / training)
Carnitine
Electrolytes (during cardio / training) such as GlycerGROW™
SesaGLOW™

I'm on medication, should I take Red Acid GEN 2™ ?


Ask your doctor before taking Red Acid GEN 2™

I have a health condition, should I take Red Acid GEN 2™ ?


Ask your doctor before taking Red Acid GEN 2™

Why didn't Controlled Labs include Yohimbe / Yohimbine in Red Acid GEN 2™ ?



a) As a standalone, Red Acid GEN 2™ is a GREAT choice for those that either "don't respond" to Yohimbe, or respond negatively to Yohimbe

b) By not adding Yohimbe, we made it possible to customize, maximize, and individualize your own potent "Red Acid GEN 2™ fatloss" stack.

Is it necessary to cycle Red Acid GEN 2™ ?


This depends on many variables, but if using it as a standalone, we generally recommend that you cycle off Red Acid GEN 2™ every 8 weeks for 1-2 weeks

When starting Red Acid GEN 2™, should I "taper" up the dosage to assess my tolerance to Red Acid GEN 2™?


This is always a good idea

When cycling off of Red Acid GEN 2™, should I "taper" down the dosage to avoid withdrawal... etc.. ?


This is always a good idea, but not required

What are some good indications that I'm losing fat while on Red Acid GEN 2™ ?


Mirror / Appearance
Measurements
Bodyfat caliper
Bodyweight

If I workout in the evening / before bedtime, should I still take the 2nd serving preworkout ?


VERY good question. It's possible that this 2nd serving the Red Acid GEN 2™ stims / thermos would prevent you from getting deep / quality sleep... if this happens, simply take 1 serving in the morning and 1 serving in the early afternoon. Try to make ONE of those servings a pre-workout serving.

I workout in the morning / right after breakfast, should I still take the 2nd serving preworkout ?


VERY good question. It's possible that taking both servings so close together could cause over-stimulation or a "crash" later in the day. In this situation, simply take 1 serving in the morning and 1 serving in the early afternoon. Try to make ONE of those servings a pre-workout serving.

Where can I learn more about various Red Acid GEN 2™ stacks / combos ?


Controlled Labs stacking information:
http://www.controlledlabs.com/show.php?section=Stacking%20Info

I've read this FAQ completely, and I still have a question or concern.. what should I do ?


Please E-Mail me:
pt@controlledlabs.com and I'll get back to you as soon as possible

Sethva
09-14-2006, 10:47 AM
Hot damn!

Awesome write up PT & gang.


Oh and wooo, post #400 :)

adcustom
09-14-2006, 12:15 PM
About how many mg of caffeine are in each serving?

Controlled Labs
09-14-2006, 12:26 PM
About how many mg of caffeine are in each serving?
There is no caffeine.

stonecoldtruth
09-14-2006, 02:39 PM
Stonecoldtruth has two words for ya:

MY PRECIOOOOOOUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

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Sethva
09-14-2006, 03:04 PM
Stonecoldtruth has two words for ya:

MY PRECIOOOOOOUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:_TggZW-45b9UWM:http://www.tuckborough.net/images/gollum.jpg



Damn how many syllables is that?

cuponoodles
09-14-2006, 04:34 PM
There is no caffeine.

Cordia has naturally occurring caffeine.

stonecoldtruth
09-14-2006, 05:15 PM
Cordia has naturally occurring caffeine.

There is no added caffeine besides the naturally occuring caffeine is what Tank meant. :)

adcustom
09-14-2006, 10:28 PM
There is cocoa bean and green tea in the product. Thus, there is caffeine in it. Have you tested the product for it's caffeine content? Any guess how much?

Clickster
09-14-2006, 11:03 PM
I am really looking forward to giving this product a whirl. :rock:

stonecoldtruth
09-14-2006, 11:07 PM
There is cocoa bean and green tea in the product. Thus, there is caffeine in it. Have you tested the product for it's caffeine content? Any guess how much?

At this time I can only say that the caffeine content is minimal and that it this product's benefits are not at all based on any naturally occuring caffeine.

SCT

adcustom
09-14-2006, 11:32 PM
Cool. Can't wait to try it!

Controlled Labs
09-15-2006, 08:36 AM
as some have alluded to there may be small traces of naturally occurring caffeine, but nowhere near an amount that you could feel, I am saying less than 10mg per dose. (The green tea is decaf and the cocao extract is a very high percentage, so virtually no room for caffeine in there either)

cordia salicifolia contains very very little caffeine, only the berries contain a decent amount of caffeine, and we use leaves, not berries in this product. We also use an extract, so there isnít much room left at all for caffeine.

davejlowe
11-15-2006, 05:15 PM
Just did a quick check of a couple of online retailers (generally cheaper than bb.com, and just as fast getting product to you), and they all have Red Acid in 180 count bottles.

This is Original version, correct?

Do you know which online shops have it? I don't want to make a purchase, then be severely disappointed getting the old version (nothing against the old, I just don't want very much stim in the product--have enough of those to go around elsewhere).

skeetar
11-15-2006, 07:41 PM
I just purchased some RA Gen 2 from BB.com the other day. If it is Gen 2 it will specificly say so. Otherwise, it's the original.

pu12en12g
11-15-2006, 08:34 PM
Just did a quick check of a couple of online retailers (generally cheaper than bb.com, and just as fast getting product to you), and they all have Red Acid in 180 count bottles.

This is Original version, correct?


Correct

pu12en12g
11-15-2006, 08:36 PM
Do you know which online shops have it? I don't want to make a purchase, then be severely disappointed getting the old version (nothing against the old, I just don't want very much stim in the product--have enough of those to go around elsewhere).

In their store it should say GEN 2 when you click on it, otherwise they might have both versions and things could get confused.

Controlled Labs
11-15-2006, 11:10 PM
bb.com, dps, discountanabolics.com and some other major ones all have gen 2 there (some also have the original)

davejlowe
11-16-2006, 12:10 AM
bb.com, dps, discountanabolics.com and some other major ones all have gen 2 there (some also have the original)

Hot dog, thanks! And discountanabolics has Gen 2 @ $25.95 (original at $28.95).

So far no one beats NP's Blue Up price--$16.95! A shame they don't have Gen2, as getting supps from multiple eShops kills you in shipping--suppose bb.com ends up winning after all for large purchases, heh.

Thanks all!

Controlled Labs
11-16-2006, 08:46 AM
Hot dog, thanks! And discountanabolics has Gen 2 @ $25.95 (original at $28.95).

So far no one beats NP's Blue Up price--$16.95! A shame they don't have Gen2, as getting supps from multiple eShops kills you in shipping--suppose bb.com ends up winning after all for large purchases, heh.

Thanks all!
give nutraplanet a call or email and let them know you want it, I am sure they would bring it in. some retailers wont pick it up until after their gen 1 stock is gone.

Big Poppa S
11-20-2006, 07:11 PM
So from anyone who has tried both which is better/more effective?

davejlowe
11-20-2006, 09:42 PM
I haven't noticed too many logs for Gen2 on bb.com (or I just missed them--my search skills are surprisingly pathetic on the forums).

Would be good to see all of the links to Gen2 logs gathered in one spot (FAQ spot?) for folks to look at.

Controlled Labs
11-20-2006, 10:05 PM
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=942302&highlight=red+acid+gen+2
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=953380&highlight=red+acid+gen+2
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=918571&highlight=red+acid+gen+2
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=912845&highlight=red+acid+gen+2
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=903768&highlight=red+acid+gen+2
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=912000&highlight=red+acid+gen+2
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=911858&highlight=red+acid+gen+2
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=919561&highlight=red+acid+gen+2
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=912535&highlight=red+acid+gen+2
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=941541&highlight=red+acid+gen+2
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=910823&highlight=red+acid+gen+2

davejlowe
11-20-2006, 10:38 PM
Thanks, that was quick!

What sort of completion rate do you all normally get for your sponsored logs? I looked through these and found:



http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=942302&highlight=red+acid+gen+2 Moved, injured self.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=953380&highlight=red+acid+gen+2 Got the flu
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=918571&highlight=red+acid+gen+2 Woohoo, made it through :)
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=912845&highlight=red+acid+gen+2 Moved, got sick
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=903768&highlight=red+acid+gen+2 ??, not sure what happened here
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=912000&highlight=red+acid+gen+2 Made it through :)
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=911858&highlight=red+acid+gen+2 Made it through :)
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=919561&highlight=red+acid+gen+2 Got sick.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=912535&highlight=red+acid+gen+2 ?? Don't know what happened here.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=941541&highlight=red+acid+gen+2 ?? Stopped at day 3??
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=910823&highlight=red+acid+gen+2 ?? Stopped at day 3??

davejlowe
11-24-2006, 12:06 AM
You see any problem with using Red Acid Gen 2 with Scivation LipidFX or Melting Point? I'm actually leaning towards LipidFX just for the extra appetite suppression, but wanted to make sure there wouldn't be any weird interaction.

Also, do you have a recommended stim to use with Gen 2? Would Basic Cuts be ok, or too much pepper? Or Scorch? Let me know, and thanks a ton!

pu12en12g
12-08-2006, 05:04 AM
You see any problem with using Red Acid Gen 2 with Scivation LipidFX or Melting Point? I'm actually leaning towards LipidFX just for the extra appetite suppression, but wanted to make sure there wouldn't be any weird interaction.

Also, do you have a recommended stim to use with Gen 2? Would Basic Cuts be ok, or too much pepper? Or Scorch? Let me know, and thanks a ton!

The Lipid FX should be fine, and additional stims aren't really needed. Gen 2 is virtually caffeine free, but not stim-free.

Spartan
12-08-2006, 11:17 PM
Think Melting Point + Red Acid (either gen) would be too harsh?

:heavy lifting:

pu12en12g
12-08-2006, 11:42 PM
Think Melting Point + Red Acid (either gen) would be too harsh?

:heavy lifting:

Should be fine with Gen 2, but Red ACID + Lean Xtreme would be better IMO.

Spartan
12-09-2006, 03:05 AM
Should be fine with Gen 2, but Red ACID + Lean Xtreme would be better IMO.

MP - 20 bucks, too good to pass on tbh.

:heavy lifting:

retro_roots
12-10-2006, 06:53 PM
I think its back up to $30 for MP now.

Spartan
12-11-2006, 06:02 PM
Yeah, I got it when it was on sale. Looks to be working I think. Lost about 2 lbs in the first 3 days of talking it. Hope it keeps up. I don't get the cramps people were talking about either. Only thing is, on bb.com it says take 4 daily. On the bottle it says 6. I'm like wtf! Sticking to 4 at the current time just to be safe.

:heavy lifting:

pu12en12g
12-12-2006, 04:36 PM
Should be fine with Gen 2, but Red ACID + Lean Xtreme would be better IMO.

^^^^

Or even Red ACID G2 + SesaGLOW

Spartan
12-12-2006, 05:55 PM
^^^^

Or even Red ACID G2 + SesaGLOW

Considering that since Sesa is 26.95 @ nutra and Red acid is like 23.99 @ island I'll be looking into it.

davejlowe
12-12-2006, 06:48 PM
Considering that since Sesa is 26.95 @ nutra and Red acid is like 23.99 @ island I'll be looking into it.

Make sure you factor in two seperate shipment costs instead of one :)

Spartan
12-12-2006, 07:22 PM
Make sure you factor in two seperate shipment costs instead of one :)

True, however the shipping shouldn't be too bad. Just too bad they don't price match other retailers. I know nutra is only like 4.80 shipping so it's sweet. Haven't bought from island so can't tell ya there. Anyone got a code for island to get a discount, etc???


:heavy lifting:

pu12en12g
12-12-2006, 07:52 PM
Considering that since Sesa is 26.95 @ nutra and Red acid is like 23.99 @ island I'll be looking into it.

Don't forget the 12% Nutra discount for the next 12 days !!

Spartan
12-12-2006, 10:51 PM
Which is see as better for fat loss/cutting, sesaglow or red acid?

:heavy lifting:

babolat
12-18-2006, 10:19 PM
RA

Spartan
12-20-2006, 05:17 PM
Well, RA will be next on my order once I finish with the MP. Strange thing with MP though. It's working and such, but there's times I'm sitting there doing whatever, and damn if my whole body doesn't get hot and I start sweating. Pretty cool tbh. Cracks me up, that Designer Supps says that you can eat whatever, and MP will still hook you up with the fat/weight loss. Oh well, I love it so far, but will cycle to RA and then maybe back to MP again after. W00t!

:heavy lifting:

retro_roots
01-13-2007, 11:52 AM
Im sure this has been covered:What exactly are the differences between Gen 1 and 2?

Spartan
01-13-2007, 12:07 PM
Im sure this has been covered:What exactly are the differences between Gen 1 and 2?

I thought Gen 2 was equivalent to stim free.

retro_roots
01-13-2007, 01:59 PM
I thought Gen 2 was equivalent to stim free.

I was looking more for the ingriedents that are different from Gen 1 to Gen 2

pu12en12g
01-13-2007, 02:23 PM
I was looking more for the ingriedents that are different from Gen 1 to Gen 2

1) One major difference is the removal of Tetradecylthioacetic Acid. Although it proved effective, the side effects weren't always worth it. We listened to our customers and took it out.

2) We removed Guggulsterones due to consumer feedback as well.

3) Virtually caffeine-free

:rave:

retro_roots
01-13-2007, 06:06 PM
1) One major difference is the removal of Tetradecylthioacetic Acid. Although it proved effective, the side effects weren't always worth it. We listened to our customers and took it out.

2) We removed Guggulsterones due to consumer feedback as well.

3) Virtually caffeine-free

:rave:

Anything added to the Gen2 that wasnt in Gen 1?

Edit: NO real reason just curious

pu12en12g
01-13-2007, 11:15 PM
Anything added to the Gen2 that wasnt in Gen 1?

Edit: NO real reason just curious

Yes.. isobutyryl-thiamine disulfide, hordenine, raspberry ketones.....

retro_roots
01-14-2007, 11:38 AM
Thanks. I think i may try to get some Gen 1, besides the Gugg. i like that formual a little better.

Spartan
01-19-2007, 05:28 PM
1) One major difference is the removal of Tetradecylthioacetic Acid. Although it proved effective, the side effects weren't always worth it. We listened to our customers and took it out.

2) We removed Guggulsterones due to consumer feedback as well.

3) Virtually caffeine-free

:rave:

What side effects with TTA and Guggs? Also, with Gen 1, can you take it on an empty stomach before working out or does it work better with food? Can it be combined with Syephrine HCL (20mg)?

pu12en12g
01-19-2007, 08:41 PM
What side effects with TTA

Cramping mostly... results will vary (dramatically). A lower dosage helps... Carnitine and GlycerGROW may also help.

Spartan
01-19-2007, 09:23 PM
Cramping mostly... results will vary (dramatically). A lower dosage helps... Carnitine and GlycerGROW may also help.

Same was said about Melting Point but I never did cramp on it, so I hope it holds true with RA too. What about the other things Pu, or you just gonna hold out on me???

:lift:

pu12en12g
01-20-2007, 01:46 AM
with Gen 1, can you take it on an empty stomach before working out or does it work better with food?

Can it be combined with Syephrine HCL (20mg)?

Personally, it would hit me harder on a mostly empty stomach. I can't think of any good reason to stack it with Syn... maybe cycle between Red ACID and a Syn-based stack (Stizm is a cheap source of Syn BTW).

Spartan
01-22-2007, 04:22 PM
Personally, it would hit me harder on a mostly empty stomach. I can't think of any good reason to stack it with Syn... maybe cycle between Red ACID and a Syn-based stack (Stizm is a cheap source of Syn BTW).

Thanks for the info. Just to clarify though, hit you harder as in cramping or as in it's effectiveness on an empty stomach? I've been looking at Stizm, but there was Syn HCL for like $9 bucks but I'll hold off, thanks again.

Spartan
01-22-2007, 11:17 PM
K, so I got my RA Gen 1, and was looking to stack it with sesaglow. However, nutraplanet has a bundle with cAMP and SG. Could I take RA and SG to start the day and cAMP at night and be a-ok? Otherwise was thinking of get some ZMA or re-order on my BU.

pu12en12g
01-23-2007, 11:55 AM
Thanks for the info. Just to clarify though, hit you harder as in cramping or as in it's effectiveness on an empty stomach?

The stimulant / nootropic effects :cardio: :cool:

The (strong) thermo effect would kick in either way... ha ha get ready for feeling like a FURNACE !!!

pu12en12g
01-23-2007, 11:57 AM
KCould I take RA and SG to start the day and cAMP at night and be a-ok?
That should be just fine... and SG pre-bed also (IMO maybe get some more real world feedback on this one).

Spartan
01-23-2007, 06:46 PM
K, so I've taken my first dosage of RA Gen 1 this morning at 9:45. Was definately feeling the heat immediately going into my cardio, with my heart rate 10-15 beats higher before even hitting a machine! Anyways, felt rather warm all day until about 4pm and I liked it. Was curious though, RA calls for 3 pills pre-breakfast and 3 pre-workout. However, I don't eat breakfast prior to working out, so am I still better taking the 6 total throughout the day (like a 2-2-2 or 3-3 deal) or just the 3 pre-workout on training days and 3 pre-breakfast on off days?

:confused:

pu12en12g
01-23-2007, 08:00 PM
K, so I've taken my first dosage of RA Gen 1 this morning at 9:45. Was definately feeling the heat immediately going into my cardio, with my heart rate 10-15 beats higher before even hitting a machine! Anyways, felt rather warm all day until about 4pm and I liked it. Was curious though, RA calls for 3 pills pre-breakfast and 3 pre-workout. However, I don't eat breakfast prior to working out, so am I still better taking the 6 total throughout the day (like a 2-2-2 or 3-3 deal) or just the 3 pre-workout on training days and 3 pre-breakfast on off days?

:confused:

With Red ACID Gen 1 I liked a 2-2-2 dosage, with one of those doses being a pre-workout dosage.

Spartan
01-23-2007, 09:02 PM
With Red ACID Gen 1 I liked a 2-2-2 dosage, with one of those doses being a pre-workout dosage.

sounds good. I held off on the cAMP and SG in favor of BU (stim free) and CLA for the time being. Might look into the others here in a few weeks though, but liking RA ALOT. If it keeps acting like it is, I'll be happy. I think I might go 3-3 for the time being and see if my body handles it well, otherwise I will definately go 2-2-2. Thanks again pu!

asianbabe
12-31-2007, 12:12 AM
Personally, it would hit me harder on a mostly empty stomach. I can't think of any good reason to stack it with Syn... maybe cycle between Red ACID and a Syn-based stack (Stizm is a cheap source of Syn BTW).
Just playing with various RA Gen 2 dosages right now.

1 pill seems to do me at the moment. Empty-ish stomach/2 hours after a meal.

Not too much of a thermo effect, but I love how appetite is crushed big time. 2 pills makes me unable to eat for a few hours.

Also tried taking it with SNS synpherine 20mg.

I am so THIRSTY!

pu12en12g
12-31-2007, 01:57 AM
Just playing with various RA Gen 2 dosages right now.

1 pill seems to do me at the moment. Empty-ish stomach/2 hours after a meal.

Not too much of a thermo effect, but I love how appetite is crushed big time. 2 pills makes me unable to eat for a few hours.

Also tried taking it with SNS synpherine 20mg.

I am so THIRSTY!

:cardio: :rave: :cardio:

Controlled Labs
12-31-2007, 10:31 AM
Just playing with various RA Gen 2 dosages right now.

1 pill seems to do me at the moment. Empty-ish stomach/2 hours after a meal.

Not too much of a thermo effect, but I love how appetite is crushed big time. 2 pills makes me unable to eat for a few hours.

Also tried taking it with SNS synpherine 20mg.

I am so THIRSTY!
awesome :)

chunkysoup
01-15-2008, 10:33 PM
Should be fine with Gen 2, but Red ACID + Lean Xtreme would be better IMO.
going to buy some Lean Xtreme thank you for the HU